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5.0 HO/435 install questions

Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 6:43 pm
by vabronconut
just joined after reading and liking the posts on here. i got a 87 broncoii that i just finished a 44sas on and i am now installing the 435 with np 205 behind a 93 5.0 HO. i am looking for specific info on the fly wheel/ hyd clutch info to use on this. matt gave has steered me in the right direction saying that a clutch and flywheel from a 81 f-150 5.0 would work. he used a mech clutch with a adapted hyd assist. question is has anyone mated the 435 to a h.o. with a full hyd clutch ? i know it needs a 11" 164 50 oz flywheel, but not sure what year to get a full hyd clutch out of. also i have a E4XX or 84 bell housing any suggestions on what fork to use? thanks for all the input in advance! i will be posting picks of my 44 sas and will try to do a detailed article on my efi install.

Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 4:58 am
by DBrown
there is a bell housing that works with a NP435 that is full hydro. I know this because I had a friend that did it in his 81 FS Bronco. I want to say it is in the early 80's so the bell you have might be the right one. I think he found the info on pirate4x4.com. the downfall to that setup is it is a internal hydro. setup. meaning if the slave goes bad you must pull the tranny to replace it.

Matt is 100% right. as far as balance goes it depends on the motor. if you have a 93 then it needs to be a 50 I want to say it was in 80 or 81 that it changed over to the 50 from 28. I hope this helps in some way, if you haven't found your flywheel yet.

you should have a bolt together project if this is the way you are going. the only thing you will have to figure out is connecting your hydro. line to the new slave.

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Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 6:39 pm
by vabronconut
thanks for the info. i just had one more question about the flywheel weight. i read allot of hot rod forums and some say that only the H.O's went to 50 oz and the truck and passenger non H.O's are still 28 oz. i agree they changed around 81 or 82 but did they all ?

Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 7:38 pm
by Nobody
In 82 all 5.0L went to 50 oz. However, all 351W are 28oz.

Did napa have a flywheel for you?

Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 2:29 pm
by wilber
the ford setup i has, uses an external slave mounted to the bellhousing.

slve cyl

Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 7:59 pm
by vabronconut
i checked with napa and they have the flywheel in stock, but i have to go look at it to make sure its the 50oz. if my bell housing does not have a provision for the slave cyl is there a braket that can be bought? i see the pics of matt's and it looks special made. i am currently building my project out of a 10x25 public storage unit which does not have electrical hook ups so all fabrication has to kept to a minimum. does anyone have for sale a clutch/brake/gas pedal assy that will fit a 87 bronco ii. mine is currently an automatic.

bell housing

Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 12:54 pm
by vabronconut
through research on ebay i found that the belhousing i have is for a hyd clutch!! hopefully i will get it next mont- wife is expecting with twins, so i have to spend wisely. thanks for all the help and i will let you know how it goes

Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 4:15 pm
by Nobody
Here's a pic of the hydraulic slave bellhousing.

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And the older linkage style

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slave cyl

Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 4:33 pm
by vabronconut
the bracket you have on the bellhousing for the slave cyl, is that factory or did you make it ? i just found the members ride forum and saw the rest of the pics of your rig, looks great, i have had 3 of the early bronco's, they are awsome, i went bronco II this time because i they are a ton cheaper, and no body work. the thing i hated the most was by the time i got a early bronco done i didn't want to take it off road cuase it was too pretty.

Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 7:28 pm
by Nobody
I agree that the Bronco II is far easier and cheaper to build. I definatley don't plan to trash the EB like I did my Bronco II. Hopefully at some point down the road I can build another Bronco II. Thing is, there are so few places to go wheelin anymore, it's hardly worth it.

The bracket I made for my Bronco II V8 conversion was basically just a piece of angle iron. Then I used a toyota landcruiser slave cylinder. It always worked very well. Never had clutch issues. There are several pics here

http://www.broncoii4x4.com/v8swap/302swap.htm

Re: 5.0 HO/435 install questions

Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 5:09 pm
by Dreded
also one more point that was not mention or asked... but what I did for a fully Hydrolic clutch assembly was used the stock Master on the BII and the Stock Slave on the Tranny and mated the lines using a compression fitting works AWESOME :p

Just thought id mention it if you where trying to figure out how to mate the lines

Re: 5.0 HO/435 install questions

Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 6:17 am
by vabronconut
did most people who did this swap with a 5.0 go to the f-150 oil pan or did they stay with the mustang pan? i think the f-150 you are able to add another quart of oil, not sure about this, anyone have any experience?

Re: 5.0 HO/435 install questions

Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 6:19 am
by EBSTEVE
I am not sure but IIRC the EB pan is the way to go, if that is the case I have one for sale cheap.
vabronconut wrote:did most people who did this swap with a 5.0 go to the f-150 oil pan or did they stay with the mustang pan? i think the f-150 you are able to add another quart of oil, not sure about this, anyone have any experience?